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  • lilmoe - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    At freagin' last. I was too tired of waiting. 10547 was awful, just AWFUL.
  • terminalrecluse - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    if they ever get rid of those sponsored articles in cortana and elsewhere I might start using Win10.
  • lilmoe - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    You sound like someone who didn't even try W10...
  • SpartanJet - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    Too busy buying into Google FUD about windows 10 to bother trying it.
  • Samus - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    It's amazing how many friends I have still using Windows 7. They complain about battery life/hibernation problems, laggy browsing performance and all kinds of quirky issues, yet they wont give it up because "Windows 8 sucks" and I'm just like...have you ever even tried it? Really, get over the whole start screen and start menu overhaul already how often do you even click that shit. No other modern OS has a start menu for a reason...it's a 20 year old navigation technique and it is utterly inefficient.
  • Arnulf - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    Windows 10 has Start Menu ... (I'm not even getting into various windows managers for Linux)
  • close - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    Linux only has it to emulate (old) Windows. It's an attempt to get users onboard by offering familiarity. Obviously, the Start Menu isn't important enough to get users to a Linux desktop.

    Windows 10 has a start menu which is quite different from the Win7 and before Start Menu. It may have a similar purpose and bear a similar name but the implementation is very different. Just as Windows 95 and Windows 10 are different although they share a name.
  • cm2187 - Tuesday, October 20, 2015 - link

    I actually did buy a linux laptop to try and the biggest grief I have with linux is that it takes only a couple of minutes of usage before you have to fire a command line (given the limited UI) and start googling the syntax for simple things. I could probably deal with it if I wanted to spend some time learning (ain't the case). But I would be vicious if I was giving that to my mum to replace her mac.
  • cknobman - Wednesday, October 14, 2015 - link

    Yeah it has a pointless start menu that you don't ever need to use.

    If people just took two seconds to learn something new they could realize that you can find anything you need in a few kepresses. So much faster, more efficient, and a cleaner design overall.
  • cm2187 - Tuesday, October 20, 2015 - link

    Requiring to use commands defeats the point of a GUI. I can see the value of having commands equivalents of all features in the GUI, but the responding to "it's a bad GUI" by "no one needs a GUI" completely misses the point.
  • Fiernaq - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    I'm still on 7. Then again I have a desktop that is pretty much only used for games and netflix so there isn't much benefit to moving to 10. The update is queued up but without any motivation to run the update it'll probably just sit there until I'm really bored one day (which doesn't happen because Steam). I have nothing against 10 and would in fact probably enjoy using it but when I get home from work the last thing I want to do is more work such as upgrading. Must be a sign that I'm getting old. Or that 7 was just that good an OS. I ran 10 in a VM at work for a while back before launch and didn't have any problems beyond the handful of pre-launch bugs I encountered but there was nothing enticing about it that would make me want to move everything to it. None of the new features (other than DX12 which is useless without some games that actually use it) really make me want to upgrade.
  • Nuno Simões - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    Or you could just start it, go to work and when you're back the OS is installed because it's all automatic and no work at all. You don't lose any programs or definitions, even the wallpaper stays the same.
  • heffeque - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    Updating to Windows 10... worst idea ever.
    Whenever I decide to migrate a computer to W10, I'll do it with a clean install.
  • shadarlo - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    No motivation to upgrade? Say that again after you upgrade. Every single employee at my work who has been upgraded has LOVED the upgrade over 7. I can't believe the overwhelming positive feedback across the board. Every single person says how much faster their machine boots, how much faster it is all around, etc. Who cares about anything else, it's faster in all ways than 7. 8 was as well, but 10 is even more so.
  • piiman - Saturday, October 17, 2015 - link

    "No motivation to upgrade? Say that again after you upgrade. Every single employee at my work who has been upgraded has LOVED the upgrade over 7. "

    Updated twice rolled back twice. Win 10 offers me nothing I can't live without and plenty I want to live without (spying) and so far lots of games don't work with the new win 12 drivers. So maybe some day but for now I'll keep win 7 as my main and keep hoping the insider build convinces me , some day, to make the change for good. But so far it simply hasn't impressed me or been bug free enough to stick with it.

    "it's faster in all ways than 7. 8 was as well, but 10 is even more so."
    Baloney. It seem faster because its a NEW install. Win 7 would seem faster if you wipe it an install it again also.
    oh and my win 7 boots just as fast as my win 10 system even if you get it faster it will be only a few seconds, big whoop so I save 2 seconds per boot.
  • piiman - Saturday, October 17, 2015 - link

    oh and by the way the roll back option works really well! it take about 30 seconds and poof back to win 7.
  • strikeback03 - Wednesday, October 14, 2015 - link

    Once I get time to get mediaportal or something like it configured and working I'll upgrade our computers, until then wmc is our TV portal so no upgrades for us.
  • piiman - Saturday, October 17, 2015 - link

    ".it's a 20 year old navigation technique and it is utterly inefficient."

    How so? I find it simple and easy to use and quite efficient. Change just for change sake isn't always good and just because you like it doesn't make it good.
  • cm2187 - Tuesday, October 20, 2015 - link

    I am currently using windows 7, 8 (actually ws 2012), 8.1 and 10. And I am sorry, windows 8 sucks, and sucks hard. Windows 10 corrects some of the problems but doesn't feel like a finished product. And I am really uncomfortable with the privacy issues in 10.
  • Cliff34 - Tuesday, October 20, 2015 - link

    I am Win 7 user and probably won't upgrade until i get my next laptop. The reason being is that the upgrade process is very painful. I tried various times to download Win 10 and it never upgrade.

    My current machine (Vostro 3350, i5 w/ SSD) is fast and responsive so there's not a lot of incentive to upgrade. Plus, i already set up various programs (ie. WebMatrix) on my machine which i don't know what will happen if i made the switch to win 10.

    Btw, Win 8 really does stuck. The start and search function is horrible!
  • Arnulf - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    I tried it. It wouldn't even install on Athlon X2 6000+ machine (BSODs). It installed in VirtualBox and actually made it to desktop where things like screen resolution applet refused to run (crashed saying there is no application associated with it).

    W10 needs more work before it actually makes it out of beta. With 110 million beta testers running it Microsoft should be able to release functional build in a year or two.
  • close - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    I run it on hardware from 2008 and it runs great. Also in VM. But of course, if *you* are getting a BSOD and it fails to run in your virtual environment (which should be basically identical to everyone else's) it must be the Windows...

    You most likely downloaded an ISO from torrents or you did a really crappy job installing it. But it's typical, every time someone encounters serious errors it's someone else's fault even if everyone else gets it running in identical conditions.
  • overzealot - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    Try googling "radeon windows 10 black screen".
    There's still a number of issues for certain hardware configurations. I don't have the black screen issue, but I had several new and wonderful BSODs until I upgraded all my drivers.
    This sort of issue with old drivers triggering new bugs has happened with every major Windows release, and I don't think that's likely to change any time soon.
  • egmccann - Thursday, October 15, 2015 - link

    So, wait, because drivers (third party) are interfering with Windows, it's the fault of Windows? That's like blaming your car manufacturer for road construction.
  • Arnulf - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    I downloaded ISOs from Microsoft's website (Insider program). They stopped publishing ISOs there so I have no idea whether more recent versions fixed the issues and have no way of trying (short of downloading ISOs off some dodgy torrent site ...).

    My hardware is Asus M2N-E SLI, AM2 Athlon X2 6000+, 2 GB of RAM, PATA HDD and Radeon PCI-E HD5550 graphics. My VirtualBox VM had hardware virtualization stuff enabled and I was trying out the 32 (x86) version of W10.

    Windows 7 runs without problems on this same computer so I am quite certain I'm not dealing with hardware issue.

    Besides I'm hardly the only one experiencing these issues if Google's results (I was looking for some kind of solution for the particular BSOD error code I was encountering) are anything to go by.
  • Omoronovo - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    Were you able to get any Windows 10 build installed and running? Or are you only having issues with this insider preview build, indicating it was downloaded from third party sources?

    Windows 10 builds after 10056 need NX/XD bit enabled in your bios or it will not install properly. Have you checked that?
  • NXTwoThou - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    The installer won't even work. I've got a two year old dell OptiPlex 3020 with a core i3 4145 in it that has XD turned on in bios where the windows 10 upgrade is giving a big fat error after 20 minutes of downloading files and preparing to install telling me that the processor doesn't support NX(according to my setting in bios and coreinfo, it does). From a few searches, the same issue happened with Windows 8.
  • MrSpadge - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    > Athlon X2 6000+ machine (BSODs)

    Support for those CPUs has been dropped in Win 8.1 already, since they don't support some security related instruction in hardware (up to Win 8.0 a software work-around was used).
  • JeffFlanagan - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    I think Microsoft knows that 10 is beta software. They still haven't offered it to me on any of the machines I have it "reserved" for. The only time it was offered to me was on a clean install of Win 8, which failed to upgrade to 10. It did cleanly roll back to Win 8, after wasting a bunch of time trying to upgrade, so it wasn't as bad a fail as it could have been.
  • tipoo - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    ?

    You can easily turn them off or set the source of articles you see.
  • Alexvrb - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    They're not sponsored articles. They're suggestions. I have a few set to follow news articles on a couple companies. Suggests a couple of articles and at a click I can see all the recent news on them, it's kind of handy. But as others have said, it's very easy to turn them off or customize them.
  • alexandar.narayan - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    Guess I saw the articles that look like sidebar ads and sponsored sites and just got turned off the the whole idea of Windows 10. Thanks for the info. Glad I can turn them off. I actually ran the insider preview in a vm for awhile.
  • salimbest83 - Wednesday, October 14, 2015 - link

    do u even tried windows 10 yet?
    win 10 is the best windows I've been using since win 7
    go get it for FREE
  • TristanSDX - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    Building Windows 10 - never ending story
  • ImSpartacus - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    One can only hope.
  • tipoo - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    Any tests of that memory compression feature added a while back yet? Any comparisons to the OSX one?
  • lorribot - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    Just did the upgrade and lost my e2200 Killer NIC. I've had to disable the Killer Bandwidth Control in the NIC properties.
    Still it was an entertaining 10 minutes. Beta testing gotta love it.
  • Alexvrb - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    I've never much cared for Bigfoot's software or drivers. Some of their wireless NICs are pretty good though.
  • Fastvedub - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    Thanks for mentioning that,as i have the same NIC on my MSI - Z87 GD65 Gaming MB.Using 10547 right now.
  • Samus - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    I still love the Intel IGP drivers on Windows Update are the outdated, first-WHQL release and they are buggy as hell. You gotta search Intel's site for the newest drivers that don't freak out when resuming from hibernation.
  • lilmoe - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    Get off the Fast Ring then...
  • NXTwoThou - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    Huge number of improvements I've found so far. Especially to Edge. Simple things like "Save Target As" are back, add & remove programs(whatever they are calling it now) no longer does that minute and a half checking for install sizes and defaults to sort by name, all those nasty bugs that got introduced in the last TP are gone(Office not being able to save to desktop without crashing and needing windows explorer restarted, needing to put .\ in front of filenames for notepad, etc). Serious speed improvements too across the board(or at least, things are popping up faster, might be new animations, I haven't looked that closely)
  • Gigaplex - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    "the Search Box will not work if you are not in a Cortana region in this build"

    That's a pretty massive limitation. How do they even break something like that?
  • KI108 - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    Windows Build 10565 update took around 1 hour or slightly more. Windows activation has been spinning for about 50 minutes now. Still not activated yet.
  • KI108 - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    Sorry for putting in the wrong place. I accidentally hit reply instead of a post.
  • DanNeely - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    Not sure, it was probably something stupid flagged by QA and fixed a day or two later. Fast Ring Insider builds don't get any of that extra QA driven bug fixing. They're just ordinary nightly builds that ended up having both at least one new feature ready to test and nothing catastrophically broken. Given the size of what's in Windows these days, you shouldn't be comparing it to a nightly build of Debian or RedHat; but rather to one of the ultra-bleeding edge distros that gloms together dozens of different projects nightly builds and hopes it all more or less works instead of selectively swapping in stable releases from upstream and then making sure everything place nicely together and applying some degree of customization as part of their release cycles.
  • Gigaplex - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    Not quite, they still do some preliminary testing before they push the build to the fast ring. They wouldn't risk unnecessarily trashing the installs of all their fast ring testers, even if they do have a disclaimer. Not all publicity is good publicity.
  • extide - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    Of course they have tons of automated tests, which obviously anything important cannot fail, and I am sure a human also will need to 'pass off' a build to the fast ring.
  • Gigaplex - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    And there's the obvious fact that they can't publish the list of known issues without actually finding them during internal testing.
  • DanNeely - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    They test, but they don't go back and apply just fixes; they just try again with tomorrows nightly which contains both fixes to yesterdays bugs that were made today, and whatever new additions were made today. Periodically they get a build that only has minor problems and push that to the fast ring. Bugfix only branches are made for general release (and slow ring insider????); but fast ring is just mostly non-broken nightlies as is.
  • KI108 - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    Windows Build 10565 update took around 1 hour or slightly more. Windows activation has been spinning for about 50 minutes now. Still not activated yet.
  • extide - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    PC Specs?
  • KI108 - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    HP Pavilion dv6 core i5, 4 gb RAM, 500 HDD. It was activated from last year when insider preview started until the previous build of 10425. After build 10427 pc became sluggish so talked to msft tech support and refreshed which took it back to previous build and activation stopped. Today upgrade to 10565 in about an hour but activation was spinning for about 5 hours. Called msft, tech support is asking money for premium support to work on it. The basic problems with activation seems to be OEM was Win 7 Home. Upgraded to retail win 8.1. and upgraded to 10 tech preview in Oct 2014 and all the fast ring builds. Activation worked until a point. Then when a refresh took it back one level of build it gets confused since the BIOS is OEM which means Home where as it show WIndows 10 Pro due to retail 8.1 >> 10 Pro. Now it gets confused.
  • MattCoz - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    Hoping to see some bug fixes, but my expectations are low.
  • freeskier93 - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    Can we PLEASE get plugin support for Edge? I really want to use it but I can't until I can get a 1Password plugin.
  • AnnonymousCoward - Friday, October 16, 2015 - link

    A browser that lets you customize the UI will always be better: Firefox.
  • mkozakewich - Monday, October 12, 2015 - link

    I'm still waiting for them to fix the lock screen problem. It's annoying having to type my password every time I turn the screen off for a few seconds.
  • MrSpadge - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    You can set the time until the screen is locked, and you can uncheck "require password after unlocking screen" (not sure who it's worded exaclty in english, but the option has been there since many windows versions).
  • colonelclaw - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    "On a personalization note, new colors are available for the title bars which can be adjusted to make a more vibrant experience if you prefer that."

    Very glad to read this - the sheer acreage of white expanses everywhere in Win10 make finding UI elements harder than it should be for me, an absolutely basic ingredient of a useable UI.
  • AnnonymousCoward - Friday, October 16, 2015 - link

    Plus, when it's all white you can't even tell which part is clickable to be able to drag the window!
  • beecher - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    my windows 10 keep doesn't change the lock screen everytime I changed I ,it goes back to the same lock screen background that I never choose ( I mean I don't know where is it come) , and then the widget that I choose in lockscreen doesn't appear if I turn of and turn on again my laptop, also another big problem is my Cortana doesn't wanted to active, it said off and can't unlock It cause my region but I had changed it to US ,but doesn't changed anything
  • zodiacfml - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    Wow, I never thought it would come....using the previous keys for W10 installation.
  • FernanDK - Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - link

    removed VP9 and WebM ? wow that's stupid. what the hell.. doesn't matter if it's temporary. these are crucial to a good experience.

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