When I typed in "anandtech", it immediately brought up "http://www.anandtech.com/" since I had been there before. I forced it to only keep "anandtech" and then hit enter. It brought me to http://anandtech/, which is basically "http://www.nume.com/".
Of course, I could only get to nume by forcing it to just accept anandtech. Seems like a problem related to having similar website addresses. But I did have to work to get to nume, normally when I type anandtech it brings me to the right website.
Has anyone figured out how to fix this problem? I just installed Tiger and am noticing this problem with both Safari and Opera. I'm running OS X 10.4.1.
Allows for other tweaking on incorrectly formatted domains as well, which is especially handy for people who prefer their own ccTLD.
Possibly Tiger has the same functionality and it's this part that's messing with your setup, but it sounds to be more of a DNS server issue. Trying alternative DNS servers would be a quick trial-&-error on that.
Keep in mind that FireFox DOES do the "I'm feeling lucky" search in Google (or your default search engine).
Anandtech and Slashdot both go directly to the site, but if you type in something odd that doesn't have a website (try "sillybox") it will go to the first Google link on that topic, which is at a totally unrelated website.
FireFox on Tiger would do the same thing, which eliminates the possibility that FireFox is doing the same thing as Safari (since Safari does it like MSIE and tries to put .com and .net and .org on the end of the name until it finds a site).
Have not had responses from yourself on this thread for a little while (I think I can safely assume that you are very busy) however I was wondering if you had any progress to date. You have eliminated all DNS & Proxy issues by showing that it works on a flushed PC. Yet the Firefox and Safari still getting issues. Might it not have anything to do with default browser settings/options in Safari and/or Firefox that might not be completing the search correctly. The next build will more than likely resolve this. I Hope so anyway.
out of curiousity.... try retyping it right after you get redirected and see if it comes up. Not likely to work, but there had been a problem where it would always search for an ipv6 server, which would time out after a while and then retry. Sadly that would take too long and you'd get an error page before it'd retry but it'd store it's retry for later uses (when you tried again). Might not have anything to do with it, but oh well....
37: What? Safari does not do this. I merely fills in www. and .com for whatever you type, if it can't detect an address pattern. It does not do a Google search.
If you input a non proper address (NOT www.xxx.yyy) into the bar in both mozilla or Safari, it does an i'm feeling lucky google search for it. You want to make sure that the first google link is stable to those addresss.
On another note I get the browser redirect to www.anandtech.com when typing anandtech into Safari.
This sounds to me like a Proxy, not a DNS problem, but I might be way wrong here. If Proxy server is using "IS LIKE" query or "FIND NEAREST" record search (MS) then this could be it. Try clearing its local cache...
No, Firefox does not do anything special on OS X. It uses it's own internal renderer. This issue appears to be related to something beyond the browser.
Anand,
Maybe I'm a little off here, but I was under the impression that when a web browser sees something like "anandtech" instead of "www.anandtech.com" it uses it's own devices on how to complete it. Kinda like those popular browser hijacks for IE that replace the search function. What's wierd is that it happens in both Firefox and Safari. Apple must have their own (broken) version of Gecko they are forcing Firefox to use.
I'd try it out with a copy of IE, or another non-Gecko browser, for Mac and see if it's Gecko or if it's actually the DNS resolver for Tiger. I'd be interested to see what happens.
One way to isolate the issue to either internal or external issues would be to capture the DNS exchange for both a PC (no issue) & a Mac (with issue).
A true hub and a third system running tcpdump or ethereal can show you the actual request and response.
One possibility a capture would expose is if the DNS request from the PC's has the 'www' and '.com' already appended, while the Mac may be sending a raw 'anandtech', leaving the DNS machine to fill in the blanks.
It's either a DNS server or a proxy server you have set up.
If you are using DHCP on the mac, it is possible one of your PCs is answering the DHCP request and giving you a bad DNS server (if you have entered it manually).
I've got a developer bias, so there are three things that immediately leap at me:
Core Data
Core Image
Core Video
From a user perspective, I'm really hyped about Spotlight and Dashboard. Expose was such a behavior changing tool that I look forward to Dashboard. Spotlight sounds cool because I love the iTunes database, and anticipate an OS wide search database.
Michael2k- I haven't played with any of the early Longhorn betas, I'll probably wait till' the updated build at WinHEC. Not quite sure how my feelings for Tiger bear any indication fo how I'll like Longhorn though.
Don't get me wrong, I love OSX in general and for the most part it's probably my favourite OS but Tiger hasn't nearly lived up to the hype IMHO.
Some decent speed improvements, a few small but tangible tweaks. Still, on the whole I haven't sen anything to make it strike me as a particularly substantial improvement let alone one warranting the hype Tiger has recieved.
Take out Spotlight, and the long awaited (at least by me) RSS support in Safari and my experience with Tiger has been precious little different then it was under 10.3.8
Dtravis, 8A428 is 8 builds after 8A420 and is the release version. That said, it's somewhat half-baked and I would expect a 10.4.1 (and a QT 7.0.1 for that matter) to follow in short order after April 29th.
I've also had some weird problems with archive and installs (with user migration) and upgrades (although that's no surprise in a major OS upgrade), so I'd recommend trying an archive and install with user migration first. Then, if that doesn't work, do the full on archive and install with no user migration. The upgrade option is dangerous to say the least.
I don't know much about Build numbers with Tiger. Is that the latest or an older build? I noticed a few others that said it worked fine had a higher number build. I know that the 10.3.8 update to Panther caused DNS issues with people running Netgear routers, and it was fixed in 10.3.9. I wonder what is up?
I wish that were the case, but that was one of the first things I tried when I discovered that things were working fine on the PCs. The problem still occurs even on a brand new PC test bed. I am glad to know that none of the other Tiger users seem to have the problem, so at least it's not a Tiger "thing."
Perhaps the dns server is the issue, but the non mac machines are not affected because they have been to the correct site previously and have cached the correct path.
On an 2k/XP machine open a command line and run ipconfig /flushdns and then try "anandtech" again.
Hopefully that will recreate the problem under windows.
Nope, the only common software is Tiger - remember that one of the machines is a clean install, I put Tiger on it and opened up Safari to try to replicate the problem and that's all that has been done on that computer since the install.
Anand, is there a Tiger review in the works? I've been wondering if Apple had implemented hardware acceleration for the DVD player (deinterlacing, playback, etc).
Nope, I made sure of that (note that I've never visited either of the redirected sites prior to this problem). The problem also occurs on a brand new install of Tiger (erase and install) on the Mac mini, where there are no previously visited websites.
Anand,
It quite possibly could be autocompleting a previously visited url that was successfully loaded when you tried the slashdot one, but the other, hmm, that's weird.
yeah I figured it was DNS related, but I believe I even had the problem while I was away with my PowerBook visiting AMD. I am not 100% sure though as a lot was going on at the time :)
Are all the boxes talking to the same DNS server?
Maybe the Tiger machines are on different DNS servers than the other machines.
I know the last few weeks there has been a lot of DNS issues in the wibbly wobbly wed.
Ok so here's what's interesting, on any and all of my Macs I'm finding this issue while running Tiger builds after 8A420. The builds were downloaded directly from ADC so there's no chance of any external tampering or anything like that. Here's what happens:
I type in anandtech and I get redirected to: http://www.nume.com/ I type in slashdot and I get redirected to: http://slashdot/home.jsp?domain=slashdot&track=true&referrer=
If I complete the URLs myself, everything is fine.
The problem happens on three separate machines, my G5 with an Archive & Install of Tiger, my PowerBook with an Archive & Install of Tiger and the mini with a clean install of Tiger. And it doesn't happen on Panther and it doesn't happen on any Windows boxes.
Running 8A428 here and I get www.anandtech.com almost instantly when I type "anandtech". With "slashdot" it flickers to "www.slashdot.com" and then switches to "www.slashdot.org".
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sage - Monday, May 23, 2005 - link
When I typed in "anandtech", it immediately brought up "http://www.anandtech.com/" since I had been there before. I forced it to only keep "anandtech" and then hit enter. It brought me to http://anandtech/, which is basically "http://www.nume.com/".Of course, I could only get to nume by forcing it to just accept anandtech. Seems like a problem related to having similar website addresses. But I did have to work to get to nume, normally when I type anandtech it brings me to the right website.
Vivek Varshney - Monday, May 23, 2005 - link
Has anyone figured out how to fix this problem? I just installed Tiger and am noticing this problem with both Safari and Opera. I'm running OS X 10.4.1.Ron - Thursday, May 19, 2005 - link
On Windows you can use CTRL+ENTER and it will prefix http://www. and postfix .comThis works for IE, Firefox and most other modern browsers.
There are also tweaks in which you can modify which gTLD/ccTLD is appended instead of the default .com, not sure if 'Tiger' allows for that as well.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\UrlTemplate
Allows for other tweaking on incorrectly formatted domains as well, which is especially handy for people who prefer their own ccTLD.
Possibly Tiger has the same functionality and it's this part that's messing with your setup, but it sounds to be more of a DNS server issue. Trying alternative DNS servers would be a quick trial-&-error on that.
Eric Hagen - Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - link
Keep in mind that FireFox DOES do the "I'm feeling lucky" search in Google (or your default search engine).Anandtech and Slashdot both go directly to the site, but if you type in something odd that doesn't have a website (try "sillybox") it will go to the first Google link on that topic, which is at a totally unrelated website.
FireFox on Tiger would do the same thing, which eliminates the possibility that FireFox is doing the same thing as Safari (since Safari does it like MSIE and tries to put .com and .net and .org on the end of the name until it finds a site).
Eric Hagen
Shar - Monday, May 16, 2005 - link
Goes right to www.anandtech.comdfacc - Sunday, May 1, 2005 - link
It goes right to www.anandtech.com for me...no problem with safari..im running golden master version of tiger..
Jon - Friday, April 29, 2005 - link
Anand:Just wondering when your Tiger review will be up. A lot of other sites have posted theirs so I'm interested in your views.
Amarigny - Thursday, April 28, 2005 - link
Hello Anand,Have not had responses from yourself on this thread for a little while (I think I can safely assume that you are very busy) however I was wondering if you had any progress to date. You have eliminated all DNS & Proxy issues by showing that it works on a flushed PC. Yet the Firefox and Safari still getting issues. Might it not have anything to do with default browser settings/options in Safari and/or Firefox that might not be completing the search correctly. The next build will more than likely resolve this. I Hope so anyway.
Regards,
ADM
anonymus - Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - link
out of curiousity.... try retyping it right after you get redirected and see if it comes up. Not likely to work, but there had been a problem where it would always search for an ipv6 server, which would time out after a while and then retry. Sadly that would take too long and you'd get an error page before it'd retry but it'd store it's retry for later uses (when you tried again). Might not have anything to do with it, but oh well....Childs - Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - link
Thats strange. I thought these comments used our forums usernames and passwords.Anonymous - Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - link
Try doing the following on Tiger:Close Safari
lookupd -flushcache
Open Safari and try your test.
Anonymous - Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - link
If your G5 is jealous that all of your PC test beds have two processors in them, why dont you take the new G5 dual 2.7 for a testspin :)Jon - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - link
37: What? Safari does not do this. I merely fills in www. and .com for whatever you type, if it can't detect an address pattern. It does not do a Google search.Calvin - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - link
If you input a non proper address (NOT www.xxx.yyy) into the bar in both mozilla or Safari, it does an i'm feeling lucky google search for it. You want to make sure that the first google link is stable to those addresss.On another note I get the browser redirect to www.anandtech.com when typing anandtech into Safari.
Hobbs - Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - link
I don't know how, but running 'Dragster' almost always fixes many of my problems.MyK - Monday, April 25, 2005 - link
This sounds to me like a Proxy, not a DNS problem, but I might be way wrong here. If Proxy server is using "IS LIKE" query or "FIND NEAREST" record search (MS) then this could be it. Try clearing its local cache...egarc - Monday, April 25, 2005 - link
Firefox uses Gecko but Safari is based on Konquerer. This is a mystery indeed.So far, I haven't been able to duplicate it in Tiger.
Anonymous - Monday, April 25, 2005 - link
No, Firefox does not do anything special on OS X. It uses it's own internal renderer. This issue appears to be related to something beyond the browser.Nate - Monday, April 25, 2005 - link
Anand,Maybe I'm a little off here, but I was under the impression that when a web browser sees something like "anandtech" instead of "www.anandtech.com" it uses it's own devices on how to complete it. Kinda like those popular browser hijacks for IE that replace the search function. What's wierd is that it happens in both Firefox and Safari. Apple must have their own (broken) version of Gecko they are forcing Firefox to use.
I'd try it out with a copy of IE, or another non-Gecko browser, for Mac and see if it's Gecko or if it's actually the DNS resolver for Tiger. I'd be interested to see what happens.
-Nate
Cane - Sunday, April 24, 2005 - link
One way to isolate the issue to either internal or external issues would be to capture the DNS exchange for both a PC (no issue) & a Mac (with issue).A true hub and a third system running tcpdump or ethereal can show you the actual request and response.
One possibility a capture would expose is if the DNS request from the PC's has the 'www' and '.com' already appended, while the Mac may be sending a raw 'anandtech', leaving the DNS machine to fill in the blanks.
Yvo - Sunday, April 24, 2005 - link
How could it be a webserver or proxy when it only happens after a certain build.Is safari going else where to resolve incomplete URLs (such as anandtech or slashdot) or is it looking at your previous visited websites.
Rosyna - Saturday, April 23, 2005 - link
It's either a DNS server or a proxy server you have set up.If you are using DHCP on the mac, it is possible one of your PCs is answering the DHCP request and giving you a bad DNS server (if you have entered it manually).
Michael2k - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
I've got a developer bias, so there are three things that immediately leap at me:Core Data
Core Image
Core Video
From a user perspective, I'm really hyped about Spotlight and Dashboard. Expose was such a behavior changing tool that I look forward to Dashboard. Spotlight sounds cool because I love the iTunes database, and anticipate an OS wide search database.
Rand - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
Michael2k- I haven't played with any of the early Longhorn betas, I'll probably wait till' the updated build at WinHEC. Not quite sure how my feelings for Tiger bear any indication fo how I'll like Longhorn though.Don't get me wrong, I love OSX in general and for the most part it's probably my favourite OS but Tiger hasn't nearly lived up to the hype IMHO.
Some decent speed improvements, a few small but tangible tweaks. Still, on the whole I haven't sen anything to make it strike me as a particularly substantial improvement let alone one warranting the hype Tiger has recieved.
Take out Spotlight, and the long awaited (at least by me) RSS support in Safari and my experience with Tiger has been precious little different then it was under 10.3.8
Dtravis - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
Rura, Are you having the same problem Anand is with anandtech.com without the www. in front?Rura - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
Dtravis, 8A428 is 8 builds after 8A420 and is the release version. That said, it's somewhat half-baked and I would expect a 10.4.1 (and a QT 7.0.1 for that matter) to follow in short order after April 29th.I've also had some weird problems with archive and installs (with user migration) and upgrades (although that's no surprise in a major OS upgrade), so I'd recommend trying an archive and install with user migration first. Then, if that doesn't work, do the full on archive and install with no user migration. The upgrade option is dangerous to say the least.
Dtravis - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
I don't know much about Build numbers with Tiger. Is that the latest or an older build? I noticed a few others that said it worked fine had a higher number build. I know that the 10.3.8 update to Panther caused DNS issues with people running Netgear routers, and it was fixed in 10.3.9. I wonder what is up?Anand Lal Shimpi - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
wbwitherNo, the PCs are fine. Only the Macs running Tiger builds after 8A420 have this problem.
Take care,
Anand
wbwither - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
Wait, so it's happening on your PC's now too?Anand Lal Shimpi - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
blckgrffnIt must be, I guess the G5 is jealous that all of my PC test beds lately have two processors in them :)
Anand Lal Shimpi - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
Rocket321I wish that were the case, but that was one of the first things I tried when I discovered that things were working fine on the PCs. The problem still occurs even on a brand new PC test bed. I am glad to know that none of the other Tiger users seem to have the problem, so at least it's not a Tiger "thing."
Take care,
Anand
Rocket321 - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
Perhaps the dns server is the issue, but the non mac machines are not affected because they have been to the correct site previously and have cached the correct path.On an 2k/XP machine open a command line and run ipconfig /flushdns and then try "anandtech" again.
Hopefully that will recreate the problem under windows.
blckgrffn - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
Sounds like you are cursed, Anand ;) Macs must not like you anymore...or maybe they are jealous of all that time you spend with PC hardware... :DNat
anand Lal Shimpi - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
Rocket321Yep, the problem happens in Firefox too.
creathir
Nope, the only common software is Tiger - remember that one of the machines is a clean install, I put Tiger on it and opened up Safari to try to replicate the problem and that's all that has been done on that computer since the install.
egarc - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
Running Tiger GM. I get www.anandtech.com and www.slashdot.org. No redirection.creathir - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
Is there any software that is common to all of them? Could it be causing a conflict of somesort?Rocket321 - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
Have you tried using a different web browser on the affected machines?Anand Lal Shimpi - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
Rocket321nope, it's clean on all machines.
Michael2k - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
#3: You probably won't like Longhorn either then.Anand, is there a Tiger review in the works? I've been wondering if Apple had implemented hardware acceleration for the DVD player (deinterlacing, playback, etc).
Rocket321 - Friday, April 22, 2005 - link
check you /private/etc/hosts file and make sure there isn't anything weird in there.Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, April 21, 2005 - link
hopejrNope, I made sure of that (note that I've never visited either of the redirected sites prior to this problem). The problem also occurs on a brand new install of Tiger (erase and install) on the Mac mini, where there are no previously visited websites.
Take care,
Anand
hopejr - Thursday, April 21, 2005 - link
Anand,It quite possibly could be autocompleting a previously visited url that was successfully loaded when you tried the slashdot one, but the other, hmm, that's weird.
anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, April 21, 2005 - link
yeah I figured it was DNS related, but I believe I even had the problem while I was away with my PowerBook visiting AMD. I am not 100% sure though as a lot was going on at the time :)Take care,
Anand
maharajah - Thursday, April 21, 2005 - link
web :)maharajah - Thursday, April 21, 2005 - link
Are all the boxes talking to the same DNS server?Maybe the Tiger machines are on different DNS servers than the other machines.
I know the last few weeks there has been a lot of DNS issues in the wibbly wobbly wed.
anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, April 21, 2005 - link
Ok so here's what's interesting, on any and all of my Macs I'm finding this issue while running Tiger builds after 8A420. The builds were downloaded directly from ADC so there's no chance of any external tampering or anything like that. Here's what happens:I type in anandtech and I get redirected to: http://www.nume.com/
I type in slashdot and I get redirected to: http://slashdot/home.jsp?domain=slashdot&track=true&referrer=
If I complete the URLs myself, everything is fine.
The problem happens on three separate machines, my G5 with an Archive & Install of Tiger, my PowerBook with an Archive & Install of Tiger and the mini with a clean install of Tiger. And it doesn't happen on Panther and it doesn't happen on any Windows boxes.
Any thoughts?
Jon - Thursday, April 21, 2005 - link
Same thing that happens in Safari in Panther. This has been a feature of Safari for quite a while.#3: I don't what you do, but if you used Tiger for anything more than browsing, you should notice a lot of improvement.
Rand - Thursday, April 21, 2005 - link
A8428 here as well, typing anandtech serves me the www.anandtech.com site almost immediately.On another note- Tiger is wholly and completely underwhelming thus far.
Anand Lal Shimpi - Thursday, April 21, 2005 - link
hmm very interesting, that's how it is supposed to work but that's not how it's been working for me for the past several builds of Tiger.Rura - Thursday, April 21, 2005 - link
Running 8A428 here and I get www.anandtech.com almost instantly when I type "anandtech". With "slashdot" it flickers to "www.slashdot.com" and then switches to "www.slashdot.org".