Hopefully this means RDNA2 will deliver. OG RDNA was pretty disappointing all around considering it was on 7nm and their competition is on a bigger process and a large portion of the GPU is effectively under utilized.
I saw it as a necessary intermediate step. It's much more impressive than Vega die-shrunk to 7nm was, but you're right - still not quite there considering the manufacturing generation advantage it had over Nvidia's Turing parts.
My personal hope is that RDNA 2 at least brings them into *contention* with Ampere. I wouldn't expect a win at the ultra-high-end, but some solid competition a little higher up the ladder would not go amiss.
"A large portion of the GPU is effectively under utilized" - what do you mean by that? I thought one of the main points of the RDNA architecture was to improve resource utilization compared to GCN (which it clearly does, judging by perf/CU improvements from Polaris/Vega). Care to elaborate?
There's no doubt AMD is at an architectural efficiency (and therefore absolute performance due to the ~250-275W ceiling of what can be cooled in two PCIe slots) disadvantage compared to Nvidia, but at least RDNA does close the gap somewhat (not just due to 7nm - a 210W 5700XT matches and sometimes outperforms a 295W Radeon VII on the same node, after all). So things are improving for team red even if Nvidia still has the better architecture.
I'm very interested in hearing what you're basing your comments on though.
Essentially Nvidia is matching AMD in overall performance with GPUs built with less advanced tools and a significant portion of those GPUs not even contributing to that overall performance. RDNA2 will have to be a lot more than just a scaled up 5700XT what we have now with RDNA1 for it to be relevant when Nvidia is on equal manufacturring process terms.
It already appears that this is the case, considering that AMD has added VRS, Ray Tracing, and seemingly a good bit of performance over the 5700XT, in terms of raw TFlops, at least.
Hopefully, AMD has found a way to do Ray Tracing that doesn't take huge amounts of fixed function silicon that is effectively unable to do other things.
A 7nm RTX2070 would be somewhat similarly sized to the 5700XT. So barring any other changes, it should compete just fine. Of course, nVidia will bring architectural improvements to their next generation, So AMD will be obliged to make similar improvements in RDNA2 if they want to compete.
That all said, from a size perspective, the 5700XT looks like a mid-range chip. Given the model number, it looks like AMD is considering it part of their mid-range lineup as well. I am hopeful for higher end chips to bring more competition before Ampere launches, but I fear that low yields may be holding up chips of that size.
Custom SSD sounds a bit like, "no aftermarket storage upgrade," to me. That aside, the specs are only gonig to be meaningful on a relative basis anyhow - meaning relative to last gen, relative to the competition, relative to the price, etc. While its nice to know about the internal hardware and its capabilities, a closed system gaming console's hardware is fairly unimportant since none of the internals can be changed by the owner.
You can swap out the built-in drive for an SSD or other HDD, but only up to 2TB. Even if you install a 4TB SSD, you can only use half of it. Microsoft is stupid, there's no reason to do this. It's not like the PS4 has suffered because of expandable storage.
" Microsoft has been known to have custom storage for XBox even with original " and that means ?? if i remember right when i was bored and took my xbox apart, it had a standard 3.5 sata hdd in it, made by seagate if i remember right, how is that " custom storage " ??
The hard drive was 100% standard but the hard drive was locked with a secret password, using ATA security feature set. You couldn't just replace the hard drive with another one without modding and deciphering the EPROM password with 3rd party tools.
I guess I should have said "no aftermarket internal storage upgrade" instead. External drives are perfectly fine given the fixed position nature of consoles like these, but I prefer keeping clutter down and instead adding a higher capacity internal drive as price-for-capacity declines over a console's lifespan.
You can always attach an external drive via USB (something like a Samsung T5 portable SSD). With USB 3.2 hitting 10Gbps it'll be enough for loading games quickly.
Personally this is first console generation, that I am personal going to like skips.
I had original XBox, XBox 360, and Playstation, Playstation 2, Playstation 3 but was going to skip the last generation but XBox One S had HD 4k support - which I move on to actually players since.
It is odd sign of times when a lot of people out there today are younger then the first console generations. 1994 for Playstation and 2001 for XBox
I was actually referencing first console of most prevelent consoles ( don't count Nintendo - which I feel is even younger ). I was high school in late 70's and remember seeing Pong and went for Commodore 64 because it had more computer abilities than Atari at the time and cheaper.
lol started with pong about 73/4 moved on via Atari 400 then 2600 then intellivision with the voice synth man that thing was advanced! then ZX, C16 then C64 with a 51/4 floppy of 1.4 mb i think lol before my first true pcs. Had Gen 1 Ps and nintendos/segas etc but have never gelled with the xbox cant stand the controller now am firmly a PC gamer
Went from Atari to Commodore and then Nintendo/Sega as well, but dropped out of consoles after the 16-bit generation in favor of PC gaming. It's only been in the past year that I went back to consoles and shelved the idea of using a PC due mainly to inflated hardware prices for graphics cards and partly due to market segmentation of other related components putting the hardware needed for fun into a range of cost that would cramp my all-or-nothing retirement savings.
I laughed when I read this comment about "first generation" and people's age. The Atari 2600 came out in 1977, considered by many as the first ever mainstream console. I am sure there are people on this forum who actually grew up playing on that. I understand you are referring to "first generation" as the first iterations of Sony and Xbox, but still was funny.
thats it hstewart.. keep moving those goal posts around trying to keep your definition of 1st gen consoles correct.. even though others here have corrected you. when you were in highschool, has nothing to do it.
The new Xbox actually seems like a possible use-case for something like Windows S Mode, with Microsoft giving you a beefy subsidised PC as the tradeoff for locking into its store.
No, that would be stupid choise by Mictosoft! Console makers make money by selling games in monopoly situation. They sell consoles at no profit or even less than production cost! If it would run desktop windows, Microsoft would get no profit at all... So no desktop windows.
Sony sold something like 2-3x as many consoles as Microsoft in the last generation. These are both x86 AMD boxes, they need to do something to differentiate. Pushing desktop OS onto the console would allow them to promote more Windows services, Microsoft Store, etc. and give a compelling reason for people to choose Xbox over PS5. It can still launch into the normal console OS by default.
What is the reason for anyone to choose Xbox? Their reasons clearly didn't work the last time around.
The reasons why Xbox One wasn't a smashing hit were pretty obvious: 1) They missed the opportunity of having better hardware at launch, when the PS4 was faster, and more importantly 2) they have no compelling exclusives. You can play them on Windows anyway.
The reason they aren't offering an alternative OS is probably more about console security. They want to make sure they don't open up any potential avenues for bypassing security by introducing a fancier bootloader and basically giving people an actual OS where they can start tinkering with the underlying stuff.
You're incorrect about #2 slightly: They didn't have great 1st party games. It didn't matter if they were made also for PC or not. PS4 has plenty of console exclusives on PC as well.
Games being on PC & console is ingenious to maximize the money from their 1st party game studios that's obviously beneficial for them as well.
A windows S type situation with a locked down store, that would be fine, no one suggested the normal version of windows, but one where you can access the normal Chromium Edge browser would be great
I don't believe they will do this - because they don't want it to effect Windows market. But they would probably would love all Windows game to be on the XBox instead of PC market however.
There are moving to cloud based gaming, that's why they created the Game Pass Ultimate. Crossplay will be more accepted this generation. Sony even paying MS to get their cloud service together.That's the easiest way to include it with the Xbox Series X. They are fighting Steam, Geforce, Apple, Amazon and Google for cloud gaming market share
They are using a huge chunk of silicon and likely using much lower clockspeeds. Check out the 5600 XT review with the lower clock speed bios. Given the power supply on the Series X is going to be ~300W and we can figure the CPU of for ~50W, with the next rev of TSMC silicon and a decent power budget this all seems reasonable.
12 TFLOPs of FP32 performance from an *integrated* iGPU? That's frankly insane! No matter how efficient RDNA2 is the die must be quite large, since it will also have plenty of RT (and tensor?) cores for ray-tracing. Thus it will probably get pretty hot. I wonder what TDP they managed to reach.
They must have downclocked and downvoltaged the 8 Zen 2 cores to keep thermals in non insane levels. They might also get extra margins if this is fabbed at TSMC's 7nm+ node instead of 7nm. As for the "custom SSD" I hope the only part of it that's custom is not going to be a proprietary connector that enforces buying new or larger SSDs only from Microsoft...
A proprietary connector on the SSD wouldn't be too bad. That's pretty easy to work around with adapters or third-party SSDs that adopt the same form factor, as happened with Apple's SSDs before they moved the controller onto the T2 chip.
What would really limit third-party options is if Microsoft's custom SSD requires non-standard firmware providing features that aren't normally found on consumer NVMe drives. Eg. if they're working with Enmotus, or if they're using enterprise features like multiple namespaces, then it would be a lot harder for other companies to start producing aftermarket upgrades.
I would be okay with a thunderbolt 2-4 port. 2 TB ssds will take another 2-3 years to drop below 180, due to this shortage and new phones. while 14 tb cost about 200 bucks. These games take over 60+ GBs. If they can find a way to load up what you need into the onboard ssd, ala streaming data in the background. I am good with 14tb usb C drive. A 4TB drive is more than a PS4 and Xbox one S combined.
You would not want to use mechanical HDs with these next-gen games + the games will finally unapologetically assume most are using SSDs just like how game developers can now unapologetically use WDDM 2.0 & deep-learning (not just for ray-tracing) in next-gen games
Based on what they're achieving with the 4000-series notebook chips, they should be able to get something approaching 3700X performance in a ~50W TDP for the CPU. That gives the GPU ~200W to play with, which should be enough to land the performance they need.
As for running hot, that's definitely down to how they make use of that chassis. If they've done a thermal design akin to the old trashcan Mac Pro then it should run fairly cool and quiet.
The specs are going to be good for the likely price. Amazing if it can run Windows or be hacked to run any x86 OS. I am a little interested to see what custom "3D audio" features they try to put into either console.
Microsoft could totally offer dual-booting versions running windows 10 for 100-200 bucks more (or whatever they need to make a profit and increase the ssd size). They might be popular.
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Operandi - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Hopefully this means RDNA2 will deliver. OG RDNA was pretty disappointing all around considering it was on 7nm and their competition is on a bigger process and a large portion of the GPU is effectively under utilized.Spunjji - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
I saw it as a necessary intermediate step. It's much more impressive than Vega die-shrunk to 7nm was, but you're right - still not quite there considering the manufacturing generation advantage it had over Nvidia's Turing parts.My personal hope is that RDNA 2 at least brings them into *contention* with Ampere. I wouldn't expect a win at the ultra-high-end, but some solid competition a little higher up the ladder would not go amiss.
Valantar - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
"A large portion of the GPU is effectively under utilized" - what do you mean by that? I thought one of the main points of the RDNA architecture was to improve resource utilization compared to GCN (which it clearly does, judging by perf/CU improvements from Polaris/Vega). Care to elaborate?There's no doubt AMD is at an architectural efficiency (and therefore absolute performance due to the ~250-275W ceiling of what can be cooled in two PCIe slots) disadvantage compared to Nvidia, but at least RDNA does close the gap somewhat (not just due to 7nm - a 210W 5700XT matches and sometimes outperforms a 295W Radeon VII on the same node, after all). So things are improving for team red even if Nvidia still has the better architecture.
I'm very interested in hearing what you're basing your comments on though.
MarcusMo - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
I read it as the NVidia GPU being underutilized (referring to the allocation of die space to ray tracing no doubt).Operandi - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
Yeah, that.Essentially Nvidia is matching AMD in overall performance with GPUs built with less advanced tools and a significant portion of those GPUs not even contributing to that overall performance. RDNA2 will have to be a lot more than just a scaled up 5700XT what we have now with RDNA1 for it to be relevant when Nvidia is on equal manufacturring process terms.
Spunjji - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
That makes sense. I interpreted your first comment the same way Valantar did, so thanks for clarifying!WinterCharm - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
It already appears that this is the case, considering that AMD has added VRS, Ray Tracing, and seemingly a good bit of performance over the 5700XT, in terms of raw TFlops, at least.Hopefully, AMD has found a way to do Ray Tracing that doesn't take huge amounts of fixed function silicon that is effectively unable to do other things.
BurntMyBacon - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
I'm not so sure that a scaled up 5700XT couldn't compete. Consider the die size:5700XT - 251 mm2
RTX2070 - 445 mm2
RTX2080 - 545 mm2
RTX2080Ti - 754 mm2
A 7nm RTX2070 would be somewhat similarly sized to the 5700XT. So barring any other changes, it should compete just fine. Of course, nVidia will bring architectural improvements to their next generation, So AMD will be obliged to make similar improvements in RDNA2 if they want to compete.
That all said, from a size perspective, the 5700XT looks like a mid-range chip. Given the model number, it looks like AMD is considering it part of their mid-range lineup as well. I am hopeful for higher end chips to bring more competition before Ampere launches, but I fear that low yields may be holding up chips of that size.
PeachNCream - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Custom SSD sounds a bit like, "no aftermarket storage upgrade," to me. That aside, the specs are only gonig to be meaningful on a relative basis anyhow - meaning relative to last gen, relative to the competition, relative to the price, etc. While its nice to know about the internal hardware and its capabilities, a closed system gaming console's hardware is fairly unimportant since none of the internals can be changed by the owner.HStewart - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Microsoft has been known to have custom storage for XBox even with original, but they can be hack.nathanddrews - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
You can swap out the built-in drive for an SSD or other HDD, but only up to 2TB. Even if you install a 4TB SSD, you can only use half of it. Microsoft is stupid, there's no reason to do this. It's not like the PS4 has suffered because of expandable storage.Korguz - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
" Microsoft has been known to have custom storage for XBox even with original " and that means ?? if i remember right when i was bored and took my xbox apart, it had a standard 3.5 sata hdd in it, made by seagate if i remember right, how is that " custom storage " ??sandtitz - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
The hard drive was 100% standard but the hard drive was locked with a secret password, using ATA security feature set. You couldn't just replace the hard drive with another one without modding and deciphering the EPROM password with 3rd party tools.Korguz - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
not really custom.. just password protected, while using a feature of the sata spec.quiksilvr - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
Still a pain in the ass for no reason when the competition allows you to swap just fine without jumping through ridiculous hoops.Reflex - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
It is likely to still support USB drives, and the dev kits have a CFExpress slot on the back.Valantar - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
MS has been far better than Sony in supporting external storage for the current generation, no reason for that to change.PeachNCream - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
I guess I should have said "no aftermarket internal storage upgrade" instead. External drives are perfectly fine given the fixed position nature of consoles like these, but I prefer keeping clutter down and instead adding a higher capacity internal drive as price-for-capacity declines over a console's lifespan.WinterCharm - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
You can always attach an external drive via USB (something like a Samsung T5 portable SSD). With USB 3.2 hitting 10Gbps it'll be enough for loading games quickly.HStewart - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Personally this is first console generation, that I am personal going to like skips.I had original XBox, XBox 360, and Playstation, Playstation 2, Playstation 3 but was going to skip the last generation but XBox One S had HD 4k support - which I move on to actually players since.
It is odd sign of times when a lot of people out there today are younger then the first console generations. 1994 for Playstation and 2001 for XBox
mkozakewich - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
The first console generation started in 1972. The Playstation came out during the fifth generation.I suppose the fifth generation was when the market collapsed into the three main players, which you could see as the beginning of the current market.
HStewart - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
I was actually referencing first console of most prevelent consoles ( don't count Nintendo - which I feel is even younger ). I was high school in late 70's and remember seeing Pong and went for Commodore 64 because it had more computer abilities than Atari at the time and cheaper.PeachNCream - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Nintendo's console business significantly predates Sony and Microsoft involvement in the same industry.dihartnell - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
Yes late 70s at similar time to Atari.Spunjji - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
"...don't count Nintendo - which I feel is even younger.."At least you expressed it as an opinion. It's still completely wrong, but well done for that.
alufan - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
lol started with pong about 73/4 moved on via Atari 400 then 2600 then intellivision with the voice synth man that thing was advanced! then ZX, C16 then C64 with a 51/4 floppy of 1.4 mb i think lol before my first true pcs.Had Gen 1 Ps and nintendos/segas etc but have never gelled with the xbox cant stand the controller now am firmly a PC gamer
PeachNCream - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
Went from Atari to Commodore and then Nintendo/Sega as well, but dropped out of consoles after the 16-bit generation in favor of PC gaming. It's only been in the past year that I went back to consoles and shelved the idea of using a PC due mainly to inflated hardware prices for graphics cards and partly due to market segmentation of other related components putting the hardware needed for fun into a range of cost that would cramp my all-or-nothing retirement savings.alufan - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
hmm commodore was no way cheaper than Atari and Amstrads were even more!HSO4 - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
I laughed when I read this comment about "first generation" and people's age. The Atari 2600 came out in 1977, considered by many as the first ever mainstream console. I am sure there are people on this forum who actually grew up playing on that. I understand you are referring to "first generation" as the first iterations of Sony and Xbox, but still was funny.HSO4 - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Speaking of Consoles, Atari, and Ryzen - here is an interesting one:https://atarivcs.com/
Valantar - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
That constantly delayed piece of vaporware? Don't make me laugh.HStewart - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Yes I was referring to first generations of latest consoles - I was in high school in 70's.Korguz - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
thats it hstewart.. keep moving those goal posts around trying to keep your definition of 1st gen consoles correct.. even though others here have corrected you. when you were in highschool, has nothing to do it.Santoval - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
"Personally this is first console generation, that I am personal going to like skips."What does this even mean??
damianrobertjones - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Please! Don't skip Microsoft likes. MS needs your likes!lmcd - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Yea, didn't get an Intel CPU :-/ can't have that in the house!nandnandnand - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
But... will it run (desktop) Windows?Jon Tseng - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Ah but more importantly... will it run Crysis (sorry!)haukionkannel - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
If there just would be console port for it!catavalon21 - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
+1playtech1 - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
The new Xbox actually seems like a possible use-case for something like Windows S Mode, with Microsoft giving you a beefy subsidised PC as the tradeoff for locking into its store.nandnandnand - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
That or better.If it's not totally locked down, you could have a gaming PC better than anything you can find or build for $500.
haukionkannel - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
No, that would be stupid choise by Mictosoft!Console makers make money by selling games in monopoly situation.
They sell consoles at no profit or even less than production cost!
If it would run desktop windows, Microsoft would get no profit at all... So no desktop windows.
nandnandnand - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Sony sold something like 2-3x as many consoles as Microsoft in the last generation. These are both x86 AMD boxes, they need to do something to differentiate. Pushing desktop OS onto the console would allow them to promote more Windows services, Microsoft Store, etc. and give a compelling reason for people to choose Xbox over PS5. It can still launch into the normal console OS by default.What is the reason for anyone to choose Xbox? Their reasons clearly didn't work the last time around.
close - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
The reasons why Xbox One wasn't a smashing hit were pretty obvious: 1) They missed the opportunity of having better hardware at launch, when the PS4 was faster, and more importantly 2) they have no compelling exclusives. You can play them on Windows anyway.The reason they aren't offering an alternative OS is probably more about console security. They want to make sure they don't open up any potential avenues for bypassing security by introducing a fancier bootloader and basically giving people an actual OS where they can start tinkering with the underlying stuff.
lilkwarrior - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
You're incorrect about #2 slightly: They didn't have great 1st party games. It didn't matter if they were made also for PC or not. PS4 has plenty of console exclusives on PC as well.Games being on PC & console is ingenious to maximize the money from their 1st party game studios that's obviously beneficial for them as well.
Alistair - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
A windows S type situation with a locked down store, that would be fine, no one suggested the normal version of windows, but one where you can access the normal Chromium Edge browser would be greatHStewart - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
I don't believe they will do this - because they don't want it to effect Windows market. But they would probably would love all Windows game to be on the XBox instead of PC market however.Korguz - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
um yea, ok sure.c1979h4life - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
There are moving to cloud based gaming, that's why they created the Game Pass Ultimate. Crossplay will be more accepted this generation. Sony even paying MS to get their cloud service together.That's the easiest way to include it with the Xbox Series X. They are fighting Steam, Geforce, Apple, Amazon and Google for cloud gaming market sharec1979h4life - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
That's the rumor. My hope is that they let you run a version of Windows, if your a subscriber to Game Pass Ultimate.FreckledTrout - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
The XBOX will have 20% more tflops than the 5700XT? Whoa the power efficiency of RDNA2 must be vastly better. Pretty impressive.DanNeely - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Spending a big chunk of extra transistors on ray tracing most likely.blckgrffn - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
They are using a huge chunk of silicon and likely using much lower clockspeeds. Check out the 5600 XT review with the lower clock speed bios. Given the power supply on the Series X is going to be ~300W and we can figure the CPU of for ~50W, with the next rev of TSMC silicon and a decent power budget this all seems reasonable.haukionkannel - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Interesting to see how big feal of that tflop power is from raytrasing hardware. It is quite possible that 5700carcakes - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Another triple socket 14 tb ddr4 vs 24tb optane vs 8 GB hbm2 ddr5 hbm3 -_-!Santoval - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
12 TFLOPs of FP32 performance from an *integrated* iGPU? That's frankly insane! No matter how efficient RDNA2 is the die must be quite large, since it will also have plenty of RT (and tensor?) cores for ray-tracing. Thus it will probably get pretty hot. I wonder what TDP they managed to reach.They must have downclocked and downvoltaged the 8 Zen 2 cores to keep thermals in non insane levels. They might also get extra margins if this is fabbed at TSMC's 7nm+ node instead of 7nm. As for the "custom SSD" I hope the only part of it that's custom is not going to be a proprietary connector that enforces buying new or larger SSDs only from Microsoft...
Billy Tallis - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
A proprietary connector on the SSD wouldn't be too bad. That's pretty easy to work around with adapters or third-party SSDs that adopt the same form factor, as happened with Apple's SSDs before they moved the controller onto the T2 chip.What would really limit third-party options is if Microsoft's custom SSD requires non-standard firmware providing features that aren't normally found on consumer NVMe drives. Eg. if they're working with Enmotus, or if they're using enterprise features like multiple namespaces, then it would be a lot harder for other companies to start producing aftermarket upgrades.
c1979h4life - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
I would be okay with a thunderbolt 2-4 port. 2 TB ssds will take another 2-3years to drop below 180, due to this shortage and new phones. while 14 tb cost about 200 bucks. These games take over 60+ GBs. If they can find a way to load up what you need into the onboard ssd, ala streaming data in the background. I am good with 14tb usb C drive. A 4TB drive is more than a PS4 and Xbox one S combined.
lilkwarrior - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
You would not want to use mechanical HDs with these next-gen games + the games will finally unapologetically assume most are using SSDs just like how game developers can now unapologetically use WDDM 2.0 & deep-learning (not just for ray-tracing) in next-gen gamesSpunjji - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
Based on what they're achieving with the 4000-series notebook chips, they should be able to get something approaching 3700X performance in a ~50W TDP for the CPU. That gives the GPU ~200W to play with, which should be enough to land the performance they need.As for running hot, that's definitely down to how they make use of that chassis. If they've done a thermal design akin to the old trashcan Mac Pro then it should run fairly cool and quiet.
Thud2 - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Anyone have any idea if this is expected to have displayport 1.2?Korguz - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
why would it have display port ?? do tvs even have displayport ? all the tvs i have seen are all hdmililkwarrior - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
Displayport 2.0 would make sense but won't be ready by the time this launches.Vitor - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
LOL @ DP 1.2. Why the hell they would adopt an outdated version of a less common standard?wr3zzz - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
I wonder how much the XboxSex is going to cost...nandnandnand - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
Everyone says $500. Any more and there will be riots. Any less and it will be flying off the shelves instantly.PeachNCream - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
I endorse your proposed name for the upcoming Xbox.yetanotherhuman - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
Still a shit name, but damn, those specs are nice. This is really going to haul arse.nandnandnand - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
The specs are going to be good for the likely price. Amazing if it can run Windows or be hacked to run any x86 OS. I am a little interested to see what custom "3D audio" features they try to put into either console.andrewaggb - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
Microsoft could totally offer dual-booting versions running windows 10 for 100-200 bucks more (or whatever they need to make a profit and increase the ssd size). They might be popular.andrewaggb - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
though I suppose if it's dual booting the potential for hacking xbox content goes up unless they can encrypt it or protect it somehow.FXi - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
People who bought TV's thinking HDMI 2.1 wasn't all that necessary are going to be a bit unhappy.Vitor - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
The new Xbox and PS5 will force monitor makers to finally adopt hdmi 2.1.