Personally I find this NAS very interesting. For me 2x 2.5" slots would be enough, but I understand that many people still want to slot in HDD's for more capacity.
I'd have to double check my QNAP NAS at home but it is probably possible to do that with a simple USB SD card reader. IIRC you can configure the default behavior for when a drive is attached to the USB slot to either automatically back up to the USB drive or to automatically import everything on the drive. An integrated slot would certainly look nicer but not sure they have the space with the way the mechanism is done for the front panel.
USB auto copy is a feature in my Thecus NAS, so it should be available in most others. Just need a USB adapter and those are fairly ubiquitous as well. :) As for this NAS, I personally don't see the appeal. Very limited from a NAS perspective and not as versatile for a media center either. Plus, probably expensive enough to buy at least 2 good ones of each instead of this. It's a lifestyle gimmick thing mostly.
the problem is this will coost in the $1,500 to £2000 region and they will supply a remote control worthy of a ten dollar boom box . Nice , but way too expensive , I can smell the price ...
Plug in some USB 3.0 HDDs and you're golden. Heck, you could probably hang a few hubs off of those ports and do fine for HDDs, as long as you kept it to large files.
I've had the outgoing model HS-251+ for about 2 years and what I see here is going to be more of the same mediocre unsatisfactory experience.
The point of this SilentNAS multimedia player product, at least for me, was to have a very quiet NAS in the living room storing multimedia files that could also be used as a multimedia player connected directly to the TV and sound system with no additional equipment needed, and with an attractive design.
Well, once you use the recommended NAS drives (I went for WD Reds because spinning at 5900rpm they were supposed to be a little quieter) it kind of defeats the purpose because it is not silent anymore, quite a lot of vibration even when hardly accessing the disks, and lots of noise when they were accesed, just like a regular NAS, minus the fans. Very annoying in the quiet part of movies or music, and even more so if you are just trying to read in silence. SSD are of course the way, but the price per GB makes it stupidly expensive if you need a reasonable amount of storage, and then with only two drive slots you are not going to go very far, even with cost being no object. So silent, yes, but not really in the real world.
Then there is the player part of the product and this can only be described as unusable. There was, guess still is, a Linux virtualised layer on top of QTS, that could host apps capable of HDMI output, such as Kodi and others. Kodi was officially pulled out at one point with no real explanation, and even when available was slow and buggy compared. The other apps were crap. The remote was poor. Funny that in the marketing literature for the current product, the player part of this system is not really covered at all, there is the mention of HDMI outputs and that’s basically it. A lot of people are going to be as disappointed as I am when the find out how it works in practice.
So, it doesn’t really work silently and is a very poor multimedia player. So, what’s the point? The only thing going for it, is that designwise it is ok for a living room, but that´s nowhere near enough.
What I ended up doing, and is my recommendation for my use case, is to just use a traditional NAS housed outside the room and proper multimedia players: I use Nvidia Shield, Apple TV4k, and the internal apps in the Sony 65ZD9. I couldn’t be happier.
I use a HS-210 (predecessor to the HS-251+) in my living room, with 2 SSDs (2 TB each). Yes, it's silent. I only use it for storage. It's nice not to have to run upstairs when something goes wrong. I note that the new 4TB QLC Samsung SSD is MSRP $600, same as the HS-453DX (4 GB RAM). If you want silent, you're in this price ballpark very quickly once you get past SBCs (RPi, Asus Tinkerboard) and Atom-based mini PCs.
The solution for silent spinning disks is the same as it was 20 years ago: suspension enclosures. A rigid coupling to a flat surface is essentially a speaker; ditch that and you can have as many drives as you want.
It's academic, though. I think your recommendation for a Roku-style box is almost always the right one. If this thing is supposed to be an actual NAS with 10Gbe, where is that wire going and why can't the storage live there?
Can someone explain the purpose of the remote? If this NAS is connected to a TV, and is using some kind of a player app (Kodi?) to play videos, shouldn't the app functions be controllable from the TV's remote?
Only if HDMI-CEC works like it is supposed to. Counting on that is a much safer bet than it used to be, but I still wouldn't rely solely upon it for a product I was shipping. Some people have hardware with glitchy implementations, some people have displays that don't implement it, some people just disable it for whatever reason.
You simply can't guarantee the device will get a working CEC connection even if it is directly connected to a TV. Add a stereo in between the two, the odds go down. If the user has an HDMI computer monitor instead of a "real TV", CEC is an automatic nope.
And that's before you get to the WEIRD stuff like DVI, VGA, or component video adapters that guarantee CEC isn't even present on the connector, but still have valid use cases. And then there's the jerk connecting this to a television that was state of the art in the 90s with a composite video converter. Or even (UGH) an RF modulator. You think I am making this up, but SOMEONE keeps buying HDMI downconverters. On the upside, I saw an SD projection display on the curb last month, so there's clearly one less "someone".
I just picked up a Hyve Cygnus 12x3.5" 1u rack server off of eBay for $125 shipped. I bought an E3-1220 V2 and 16GB of ECC RAM for it for about $75 total. With hardware this cheap, I have trouble justifying all of these NAS appliances from QNAP and Synology. FreeNAS, OpenMediaVault, or even Xpenology mixed with some carefully picked hardware make for a much more robust solution.
The HS-453DX provides a wide range of multimedia applications, including: dual-channel 4K real-time transcoding (converts videos to universal file formats for playback on different devices); Plex® Media Server streams media to DLNA® devices, Roku®, Apple TV®, Amazon Fire TV® and Google Chromecast™; Cinema28 turns the HS-453DX into a centralized home multimedia hub; and OceanKTV allows the HS-453DX to be used a karaoke machine. https://mybkexperience.us/
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zepi - Thursday, November 29, 2018 - link
Personally I find this NAS very interesting. For me 2x 2.5" slots would be enough, but I understand that many people still want to slot in HDD's for more capacity.zepi - Thursday, November 29, 2018 - link
Oh, and one feature that would make me happy: UHS-II SD-card reader that automatically copies content from the card into configurable folder on NAS.Would be very nice way to import pictures / videos from digital camera.
kpb321 - Thursday, November 29, 2018 - link
I'd have to double check my QNAP NAS at home but it is probably possible to do that with a simple USB SD card reader. IIRC you can configure the default behavior for when a drive is attached to the USB slot to either automatically back up to the USB drive or to automatically import everything on the drive. An integrated slot would certainly look nicer but not sure they have the space with the way the mechanism is done for the front panel.aaronbooker - Thursday, November 29, 2018 - link
This would be huge for verycsmall teams of content creators dumping footage during events. Great idea.Death666Angel - Friday, November 30, 2018 - link
USB auto copy is a feature in my Thecus NAS, so it should be available in most others. Just need a USB adapter and those are fairly ubiquitous as well. :)As for this NAS, I personally don't see the appeal. Very limited from a NAS perspective and not as versatile for a media center either. Plus, probably expensive enough to buy at least 2 good ones of each instead of this. It's a lifestyle gimmick thing mostly.
dromoxen - Friday, November 30, 2018 - link
the problem is this will coost in the $1,500 to £2000 region and they will supply a remote control worthy of a ten dollar boom box . Nice , but way too expensive , I can smell the price ...GreenReaper - Thursday, November 29, 2018 - link
Plug in some USB 3.0 HDDs and you're golden. Heck, you could probably hang a few hubs off of those ports and do fine for HDDs, as long as you kept it to large files.Pgear - Thursday, November 29, 2018 - link
I've had the outgoing model HS-251+ for about 2 years and what I see here is going to be more of the same mediocre unsatisfactory experience.The point of this SilentNAS multimedia player product, at least for me, was to have a very quiet NAS in the living room storing multimedia files that could also be used as a multimedia player connected directly to the TV and sound system with no additional equipment needed, and with an attractive design.
Well, once you use the recommended NAS drives (I went for WD Reds because spinning at 5900rpm they were supposed to be a little quieter) it kind of defeats the purpose because it is not silent anymore, quite a lot of vibration even when hardly accessing the disks, and lots of noise when they were accesed, just like a regular NAS, minus the fans. Very annoying in the quiet part of movies or music, and even more so if you are just trying to read in silence.
SSD are of course the way, but the price per GB makes it stupidly expensive if you need a reasonable amount of storage, and then with only two drive slots you are not going to go very far, even with cost being no object. So silent, yes, but not really in the real world.
Then there is the player part of the product and this can only be described as unusable. There was, guess still is, a Linux virtualised layer on top of QTS, that could host apps capable of HDMI output, such as Kodi and others. Kodi was officially pulled out at one point with no real explanation, and even when available was slow and buggy compared. The other apps were crap. The remote was poor. Funny that in the marketing literature for the current product, the player part of this system is not really covered at all, there is the mention of HDMI outputs and that’s basically it. A lot of people are going to be as disappointed as I am when the find out how it works in practice.
So, it doesn’t really work silently and is a very poor multimedia player. So, what’s the point? The only thing going for it, is that designwise it is ok for a living room, but that´s nowhere near enough.
What I ended up doing, and is my recommendation for my use case, is to just use a traditional NAS housed outside the room and proper multimedia players: I use Nvidia Shield, Apple TV4k, and the internal apps in the Sony 65ZD9. I couldn’t be happier.
heffeque - Thursday, November 29, 2018 - link
"my recommendation for my use case, is to just use a traditional NAS housed outside the room and proper multimedia players"My thoughts exactly.
ddean - Friday, November 30, 2018 - link
I use a HS-210 (predecessor to the HS-251+) in my living room, with 2 SSDs (2 TB each). Yes, it's silent. I only use it for storage. It's nice not to have to run upstairs when something goes wrong. I note that the new 4TB QLC Samsung SSD is MSRP $600, same as the HS-453DX (4 GB RAM). If you want silent, you're in this price ballpark very quickly once you get past SBCs (RPi, Asus Tinkerboard) and Atom-based mini PCs.nicolaim - Thursday, November 29, 2018 - link
Excellent comment Pgear. This NAS seems pretty cool in theory, but your experience points out many drawbacks.LordanSS - Friday, November 30, 2018 - link
Thank you for your comment, mate.alexdi - Sunday, December 2, 2018 - link
The solution for silent spinning disks is the same as it was 20 years ago: suspension enclosures. A rigid coupling to a flat surface is essentially a speaker; ditch that and you can have as many drives as you want.It's academic, though. I think your recommendation for a Roku-style box is almost always the right one. If this thing is supposed to be an actual NAS with 10Gbe, where is that wire going and why can't the storage live there?
PeachNCream - Thursday, November 29, 2018 - link
Needs a wireless adapter.p1esk - Thursday, November 29, 2018 - link
Can someone explain the purpose of the remote? If this NAS is connected to a TV, and is using some kind of a player app (Kodi?) to play videos, shouldn't the app functions be controllable from the TV's remote?Lord of the Bored - Friday, November 30, 2018 - link
Only if HDMI-CEC works like it is supposed to. Counting on that is a much safer bet than it used to be, but I still wouldn't rely solely upon it for a product I was shipping. Some people have hardware with glitchy implementations, some people have displays that don't implement it, some people just disable it for whatever reason.You simply can't guarantee the device will get a working CEC connection even if it is directly connected to a TV. Add a stereo in between the two, the odds go down. If the user has an HDMI computer monitor instead of a "real TV", CEC is an automatic nope.
And that's before you get to the WEIRD stuff like DVI, VGA, or component video adapters that guarantee CEC isn't even present on the connector, but still have valid use cases.
And then there's the jerk connecting this to a television that was state of the art in the 90s with a composite video converter. Or even (UGH) an RF modulator. You think I am making this up, but SOMEONE keeps buying HDMI downconverters. On the upside, I saw an SD projection display on the curb last month, so there's clearly one less "someone".
p1esk - Friday, November 30, 2018 - link
I see, thanks!oRAirwolf - Friday, November 30, 2018 - link
I just picked up a Hyve Cygnus 12x3.5" 1u rack server off of eBay for $125 shipped. I bought an E3-1220 V2 and 16GB of ECC RAM for it for about $75 total. With hardware this cheap, I have trouble justifying all of these NAS appliances from QNAP and Synology. FreeNAS, OpenMediaVault, or even Xpenology mixed with some carefully picked hardware make for a much more robust solution.Starling357 - Tuesday, December 25, 2018 - link
The HS-453DX provides a wide range of multimedia applications, including: dual-channel 4K real-time transcoding (converts videos to universal file formats for playback on different devices); Plex® Media Server streams media to DLNA® devices, Roku®, Apple TV®, Amazon Fire TV® and Google Chromecast™; Cinema28 turns the HS-453DX into a centralized home multimedia hub; and OceanKTV allows the HS-453DX to be used a karaoke machine. https://mybkexperience.us/