Notebook Trio: ASUS A8JS and G2P and ABS Mayhem Z5
by Jarred Walton on December 29, 2006 12:15 PM EST- Posted in
- Laptops
ASUS G2P - Internals and Usage
Looking at the bottom of the laptop, there are three access panels this time instead of just two, along with the battery.
This time, we didn't have any problems taking out the battery. There are two latches that hold the battery in place, however, one of which is a locking mechanism that snaps into place rather than the typical spring-loaded lock. This prevents the battery from accidentally being released. Once you unlock the battery latch, the second spring-loaded latch can be used to release the battery.
The battery is again an 8-cell model rated at 4800 mAHr, only this time it is a 14.8V battery (14.8V x 4800 = 71 WHr). The larger capacity is likely required because of the 17" LCD, and in testing the G2P requires quite a bit more power than the A8JS. As can be seen in the picture, the battery is also a long, narrow design instead of the rectangle used in the A8JS.
Removing the bottom covers grants access to three different areas. At the top is the 2.5" SATA hard drive location. The bottom left holds a mini PCI slot (which was unoccupied on our unit) along with a Bluetooth/WiFi adapter. The third access panel hides the CPU, GPU, and memory. If you actually want to remove the CPU heatsink and swap processors, you will have to remove the rest of the plastic shell in order to expose a few more screws. As with the A8JS, this is not a simple process, and it will void your warranty, but it can be done if necessary. What is somewhat interesting to note is that there's only one SO-DIMM memory socket on the bottom of the laptop. However, the laptop comes equipped with 2GB of memory, so where's the other memory socket?
In a rather unique twist, ASUS puts the second SO-DIMM slot underneath the keyboard. Perhaps this might help with cooling in some way, but it makes upgrading the memory extremely inconvenient. Luckily, as the laptop already has 2GB of memory, and as that's the maximum supported it won't be a problem.
The ASUS G2P has the largest hard drive out of these laptops, and it's also the largest 2.5" SATA size currently available: a 160GB Hitachi Travelstar. Just like you don't see 10,000 RPM desktop drives with a ton of storage space, the fastest 7200 RPM 2.5" drives are only 100GB. Some people will prefer slightly faster hard drives and others will prefer having more capacity available. Most of us tend to prefer capacity first, and especially with laptops even the largest hard drives can easily be filled if you start storing movies and install a few games.
In actual use the ASUS G2P provides a very good experience, with one exception that we'll get to in a moment. Battery life is still decent, coming in slightly lower than the A8JS in some cases and essentially tied in others, which is expected given the larger display. Battery life during DVD playback was actually two minutes longer than the A8JS, but given the margin of error we would call that a tie. Viewing movies on the G2P is much better than on the other laptops, simply because of the brighter, more vibrant display. In other applications, performance is basically identical to the A8JS and Mayhem Z5. Stability was excellent as well, and like the A8JS we didn't have any problems there. So what's the big problem? As you might expect from what we've said already, it's gaming performance.
We could overlook gaming performance were it not for the fact that this is so heavily marketed as a "gaming notebook". The highlighted WASD keys, red accents on the side of the display and keyboard, and the bold "ASUS Gaming Series" proclamation that appears when you first boot the laptop all give you the impression that this should be able to run most games without difficulties. Unless you like playing games that were made in 2005 and earlier, for the most part the G2P is inadequate for gaming. The GeForce Go 7700 in the ASUS A8JS already has issues running the latest games at maximum quality at the native LCD resolution, and in our tests it's 20% to 75% faster than the Radeon Mobility X1700. On average, it ends up being about 50% faster, especially at the most reasonable settings. The X1700 usually closes the performance gap as you increase the resolution and enable 4xAA, but at that point average FPS can drop into the low teens or even single digits making any further discussion of performance rather meaningless.
Without having all of the other components identical in the two laptops, it's impossible to say for sure what the specific advantages of the X1700 might be over the 7700. It might use less power and thus generate less heat (you'll see later that this appears to be the case), but long battery life is usually not a critical factor for gaming laptops, as few laptops can manage more than about an hour of battery life when running modern 3D titles. The overall focus of the G2P definitely doesn't appear to be battery life or mobility, so choosing a slower GPU doesn't make much sense.
One final item to note is a small issue with our the keyboard. We said earlier that it is largely the same as the layout used on the A8JS, and that's true. However, the version we were sent for review is a prerelease model, and we noticed that some of the keys were mislabeled. For example, to the left of the Enter key are two keys, @ ' and ~ #. On versions of the laptop designed for European countries, those labels are probably correct, but using a standard US Windows XP installation the keys were actually " ' and | \ respectively. Also, we really would have liked to see some of the empty space on the top of the laptop put to better use.
If ASUS is serious about their Gaming Series notebooks, they really need to pay more attention to the actual gaming performance that the graphics chip can provide. As it is, the G2P might please casual gamers who are more interested in outward appearances, and it generally offers good multimedia functionality. The larger hard drive will also be good for multimedia purposes. If you don't mind the added weight, the display is easier on your eyes, and the somewhat low native resolution (for a 17" LCD on a notebook) might also be preferable for some people. In short, everything about the G2P design is good and we like the display a lot, but the chosen graphics chip just doesn't make much sense. A GeForce Go 7700 would have been a much better choice, and with the 17" chassis would also like to see models with even faster graphics chips like the GeForce Go 7900 series. As it stands, the G2P merely pays lip service to gaming and is likely to disappoint users looking for something in that niche market. As long as you aren't looking for gaming performance, though, there's still quite a bit to like with the design.
Looking at the bottom of the laptop, there are three access panels this time instead of just two, along with the battery.
Click to enlarge |
This time, we didn't have any problems taking out the battery. There are two latches that hold the battery in place, however, one of which is a locking mechanism that snaps into place rather than the typical spring-loaded lock. This prevents the battery from accidentally being released. Once you unlock the battery latch, the second spring-loaded latch can be used to release the battery.
Click to enlarge |
The battery is again an 8-cell model rated at 4800 mAHr, only this time it is a 14.8V battery (14.8V x 4800 = 71 WHr). The larger capacity is likely required because of the 17" LCD, and in testing the G2P requires quite a bit more power than the A8JS. As can be seen in the picture, the battery is also a long, narrow design instead of the rectangle used in the A8JS.
Click to enlarge |
Removing the bottom covers grants access to three different areas. At the top is the 2.5" SATA hard drive location. The bottom left holds a mini PCI slot (which was unoccupied on our unit) along with a Bluetooth/WiFi adapter. The third access panel hides the CPU, GPU, and memory. If you actually want to remove the CPU heatsink and swap processors, you will have to remove the rest of the plastic shell in order to expose a few more screws. As with the A8JS, this is not a simple process, and it will void your warranty, but it can be done if necessary. What is somewhat interesting to note is that there's only one SO-DIMM memory socket on the bottom of the laptop. However, the laptop comes equipped with 2GB of memory, so where's the other memory socket?
Click to enlarge |
In a rather unique twist, ASUS puts the second SO-DIMM slot underneath the keyboard. Perhaps this might help with cooling in some way, but it makes upgrading the memory extremely inconvenient. Luckily, as the laptop already has 2GB of memory, and as that's the maximum supported it won't be a problem.
Click to enlarge |
The ASUS G2P has the largest hard drive out of these laptops, and it's also the largest 2.5" SATA size currently available: a 160GB Hitachi Travelstar. Just like you don't see 10,000 RPM desktop drives with a ton of storage space, the fastest 7200 RPM 2.5" drives are only 100GB. Some people will prefer slightly faster hard drives and others will prefer having more capacity available. Most of us tend to prefer capacity first, and especially with laptops even the largest hard drives can easily be filled if you start storing movies and install a few games.
In actual use the ASUS G2P provides a very good experience, with one exception that we'll get to in a moment. Battery life is still decent, coming in slightly lower than the A8JS in some cases and essentially tied in others, which is expected given the larger display. Battery life during DVD playback was actually two minutes longer than the A8JS, but given the margin of error we would call that a tie. Viewing movies on the G2P is much better than on the other laptops, simply because of the brighter, more vibrant display. In other applications, performance is basically identical to the A8JS and Mayhem Z5. Stability was excellent as well, and like the A8JS we didn't have any problems there. So what's the big problem? As you might expect from what we've said already, it's gaming performance.
We could overlook gaming performance were it not for the fact that this is so heavily marketed as a "gaming notebook". The highlighted WASD keys, red accents on the side of the display and keyboard, and the bold "ASUS Gaming Series" proclamation that appears when you first boot the laptop all give you the impression that this should be able to run most games without difficulties. Unless you like playing games that were made in 2005 and earlier, for the most part the G2P is inadequate for gaming. The GeForce Go 7700 in the ASUS A8JS already has issues running the latest games at maximum quality at the native LCD resolution, and in our tests it's 20% to 75% faster than the Radeon Mobility X1700. On average, it ends up being about 50% faster, especially at the most reasonable settings. The X1700 usually closes the performance gap as you increase the resolution and enable 4xAA, but at that point average FPS can drop into the low teens or even single digits making any further discussion of performance rather meaningless.
Without having all of the other components identical in the two laptops, it's impossible to say for sure what the specific advantages of the X1700 might be over the 7700. It might use less power and thus generate less heat (you'll see later that this appears to be the case), but long battery life is usually not a critical factor for gaming laptops, as few laptops can manage more than about an hour of battery life when running modern 3D titles. The overall focus of the G2P definitely doesn't appear to be battery life or mobility, so choosing a slower GPU doesn't make much sense.
One final item to note is a small issue with our the keyboard. We said earlier that it is largely the same as the layout used on the A8JS, and that's true. However, the version we were sent for review is a prerelease model, and we noticed that some of the keys were mislabeled. For example, to the left of the Enter key are two keys, @ ' and ~ #. On versions of the laptop designed for European countries, those labels are probably correct, but using a standard US Windows XP installation the keys were actually " ' and | \ respectively. Also, we really would have liked to see some of the empty space on the top of the laptop put to better use.
If ASUS is serious about their Gaming Series notebooks, they really need to pay more attention to the actual gaming performance that the graphics chip can provide. As it is, the G2P might please casual gamers who are more interested in outward appearances, and it generally offers good multimedia functionality. The larger hard drive will also be good for multimedia purposes. If you don't mind the added weight, the display is easier on your eyes, and the somewhat low native resolution (for a 17" LCD on a notebook) might also be preferable for some people. In short, everything about the G2P design is good and we like the display a lot, but the chosen graphics chip just doesn't make much sense. A GeForce Go 7700 would have been a much better choice, and with the 17" chassis would also like to see models with even faster graphics chips like the GeForce Go 7900 series. As it stands, the G2P merely pays lip service to gaming and is likely to disappoint users looking for something in that niche market. As long as you aren't looking for gaming performance, though, there's still quite a bit to like with the design.
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unclebud - Saturday, December 30, 2006 - link
"Seems all the usual suspects are on a holiday"more than likely they were just thrown speechless by such extreme bias in this "review"...
newsflash - it can have a sorry gma 900 in it that can barely play rollercoaster tycoon and call it a "gaming laptop" if they want...
ugh. i tried skipping around to get something valuable out of this "article", but there aren't any pictures of the models even...
going to reread mr anand's review of his laptop to cheer myself up -- now that's a thorough review!
JarredWalton - Saturday, December 30, 2006 - link
"but there aren't any pictures of the models even"Umm... what? There are 36 images (with enlarged shots) in the article, plus another 30 or so graphs/charts. If you're not seeing them, either your browser is incorrectly configured and is blocking the images, or else the servers are having issues. And if someone called a GMA900 a "gaming notebook" they would be lying; calling an X1700 laptop a gaming laptop is more of an exaggeration, but it's clearly not the fastest mobile GPU.
I honestly have no idea what you mean by bias, so I'd be happy if you would point out areas that are "biased" rather than just giving a blanket label to the article.
mino - Friday, December 29, 2006 - link
Overall a nice review, those ASU are getting some serious popularity here in Europe while the reviews are nowhere to find..However, ranting for half a page about 14inch not having numeric keypad? I would have thought it was under you level of knowledge...
While the KB is NOT perfect in any sense - small enter, small keys.. - the absence of numeric keypad is natural.
Maybe you should spend a few weeks on road with some 17inch baby of yours to see how "important" numeric keypad really is...
One thing I hate about A8J is that transreflective (CrystalSomething) screen. It is pretty much unusable the moment the sun shines, and it does shine a bit too much in the summer.
JarredWalton - Friday, December 29, 2006 - link
I wasn't really complaining about the lack of a numpad on the 14" A8Js, merely pointing out that it's not there and you really can't fit one into such a chassis. My "rant" for half a paragraph was dedicated to the Fn key - and mostly I was just talking about the uses and making a minor complaint about it not being switched with the Ctrl key location. Unless you're looking somewhere else?I tried to discuss my feelings about the keyboards on each laptop, as that's pretty important with long-term use. Given what I do for a living (writing), I would actually avoid purchasing the G2P (as tested) and the Mayhem Z5 purely on the basis of the keyboard alone. The US G2P might actually be fine, as the primary issue I had was with the mixed up locations (relative to most keyboards) of the \ and " keys.
As for the G2P, that's where I complained about the missing numpad, and it's a 17" model notebook. I complained about this same issue on the Dell XPS M1710 and E1705, as I use numpads on a regular basis and find them to be important. Ironically, the ABS includes a numpad, which I liked, but the other missing keys (Home - PgDn) were at least as irritating to me as the lack of a numpad. Obviously, my taste in keyboards isn't the same as every other person's, which I why I started the article talking about the importance of trying out laptops in person where possible - or try a similar laptop if that's all you can do.
Ideally, I'd like a 17" notebook to have a numpad and a layout very much like the ABS, only shrink the width of the Backspace, \, Enter, and Shift keys and put in a column with Home, End, PgUp, and PgDn similar to how the two ASUS laptops do it. There's plenty of room there for those keys... or just extend the keyboard area down a bit and put the keys right above the cursors like on a regular keyboard.
As for the two ASUS laptop LCDs, I didn't find the LCD on the G2P to have problems in bright light (sunlight is a stretch but possible). Hopefully all newer ASUS laptops have LCDs more like the G2P. The A8J on the other hand is definitely the worst LCD of the bunch and really suitable for indoor use only (or on overcast days). When I first used it I didn't think too much about the LCD quality, as most laptop LCDs can't compete with desktop LCDs in terms of brightness and color quality. After playing with the other notebooks, however, I became quite unhappy with the A8J LCD. Sure, it helps battery life, but all you need to do is have more brightness levels to allow for lowered battery use on LCDs like the G2P.
mino - Saturday, December 30, 2006 - link
Seems all the usuall suspect are on a holiday :)Maybe I should read a bit more thoroughy, and sllep more too :). Point taken.
As for the display, the are two things. I am yet to see an glossy surface LCD to be usable on sunlight. They are nice and sharp for movies and indoors. But my observation is that the moment sun shines (also through an unprotected window) the display changes to a mirror - well, it called an "mirror effect" dispaly sometimes :). At the same conditionas even a poor-quality anti-glare one retains usability.
That said I will have to pass the A8J, otherwise it is pretty solid bundle(I like the BT+DVI+14"WXGA+ combo).
Should the time come when the notebook are regularly of built-to-order variety such is it with cars now. That way most of these "issues" with manufacturer isung bad display, VGA, CPU and so on would be a thing of the past.
It would not even increase the price too much provided good automation is employed. Actually this would greatly simplify the abundance of notebook based of the same chassis with a bit different internals only.
Hell, just ASUS has 5+ series with the same 15.4inch chassis...
mino - Saturday, December 30, 2006 - link
spelling, here you come :(francisco54 - Friday, May 16, 2014 - link
hola mepodeia mamdar los draivers de este ordenador