Intel Launches Xeon-W CPUs for Workstations: Skylake-SP & ECC for LGA2066by Ian Cutress on August 29, 2017 11:00 AM EST
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On the professional side of the CPU space, Intel’s new Xeon Scalable Processor family, based on the Skylake-SP architecture, is suiting up against the new EPYC processors from AMD. Part of Intel’s Xeon-SP launch was a rebranding of their product stack: gone are E5 and E7 families, and now Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze make for a confusing conversion. With this announcement, Intel also gave the image that now consumer and professional platforms were separate: no longer were Xeons welcome in consumer sockets. However as it turns out, this would not quite be the case.
Today Intel is taking the wraps off of their new Xeon-W family of processors, which will be their new brand for workstation-class processors. With the Xeon-W announcement today, Intel is bridging the gap between servers and consumer processors (in name at least) with a direct replacement for the old E5-1600 series, which will see Skylake-SP Xeons come to the LGA2066 socket with additional professional-level features in tow.
Historically, the E5-1600 series were identical processors to the E5-2600 series, except without the dual socket capabilities and consequently priced more appropriately for single socket workstations. Meanwhile over the last few generations, the consumer and enterprise platforms shared a socket, which made cross compatibility fairly easy.
With the new Xeon-SP processors, however, the enterprise platform went up to Socket LGA3647. This new socket is a far cry from the consumer LGA2066, losing a common platform in exchange for more memory channels and other features such as Omnipath. With a complete division between consumer and enterprise, there was no way to bring features such as ECC and vPro down into more consumer friendly environments.
Today’s launch of Xeon-W fixes this, although you probably still need a new chipset. As a replacement for the E5-1600 series, the Xeon-W CPUs will feature parts from 4 cores up to 18 cores, support up to 512GB of ECC RDIMM/LRDIMM memory, support dual 512-bit FMAs throughout the stack, and peak turbo clocks of 4.5 GHz.
|New Intel Xeon-W Processors (LGA2066)|
|Xeon W-2195||18/36||2.3 GHz||4.3 GHz||24.75||1.375||140 W||TBD|
|Xeon W-2175||14/28||TBD||TBD||19.25||1.375||140 W||TBD|
|Xeon W-2155||10/20||3.3 GHz||4.5 GHz||13.75||1.375||140 W||$1440|
|Xeon W-2145||8/16||3.7 GHz||4.5 GHz||11.00||1.375||140 W||$1113|
|Xeon W-2135||6/12||3.7 GHz||4.5 GHz||8.25||1.375||140 W||$835|
|Xeon W-2133||6/12||3.6 GHz||3.9 GHz||8.25||1.375||140 W||$617|
|Xeon W-2125||4/8||4.0 GHz||4.5 GHz||8.25||2.063||120 W||$444|
|Xeon W-2123||4/8||3.6 GHz||3.9 GHz||8.25||2.063||120 W||$294|
In essence, these are Xeon versions of the current Skylake-X (Core i9) processors with all the pro features enabled, such as the extended memory support, vPro, Intel’s AMT, and the standard enterprise Reliability, Serviceability and Availability (RAS) features. They will require a new chipset, the C422 chipset, and despite the common LGA2066 socket, the Xeon-W will not work with the consumer X299 chipset (reaffirming the split we see with the E3-1200 v5/v6 series which require the C236 chipset and will not work with the Z170 chipset). As a result, we are likely to see most of the major motherboard manufacturers pump out at least one version of an enterprise board to cover this market.
Starting at the bottom of the new Xeon-W product stack, we find something interesting: Intel is releasing a pair of four core parts that have 8.25MB of L3 cache, rather than the 5.5MB we would expect from a 1.375MB/core Skylake-SP design. This indicates that these parts retain access to some of the L3 cache attached to the disabled cores, making them particularly well suited for software that is licensed per CPU core and consequently needs the the highest single-threaded performnace possible. There are two 6 core members of the stack, which differ solely on clock speed. This is then followed by an 8 core, a 10-core, a 14-core and an 18-core, with no 12-core or 16-core present (although if launched, these are likely to be called the W-2185 and W-2165). All the parts will support 48 PCIe 3.0 lanes from the processor, suitable for 2x GPU and 3x PCIe storage direct from the CPU without going out to the chipset (in the consumer Skylake-X product line, the two bottom SKUs only have 28 PCIe lanes, and the rest have 44). Every processor in the Xeon-W stack sits at 140W, except the quad cores at 120W. By contrast, Skylake-X goes up to 165W. It is also worth noting that the Xeon-W processors only support Turbo Boost 2.0 rather than Turbo Boost Max 3.0 and its "favored core" underpinnings. And as with past Xeon processors, Xeon-W processors are also likely to be locked.
|Top SKU Comparison|
|Cores/Threads||18 / 36||18 / 36||28 / 56|
|Top Base/Turbo||2.6 / 4.2||2.3 / 4.3||2.5 / 3.8|
|GPU PCIe 3.0||44||48||48|
|DRAM / DDR4||128GB
|Price||$1999||TBD||$10009 / $13011|
There are several obvious comparisons that can be made between the Xeon-W family and both the consumer Skylake-X and the server Xeon-SP platforms. Intel’s goal here is to hit something in the middle: an increase in price over Skylake-X gets you more memory support, ECC, more PCIe lanes, and management features, but doesn’t go the full way to six-channels of DDR4 or multi-socket support. Not all of the Xeon-W parts have specifications and prices yet, but the 8-core processor is a good place to do comparisons.
|Cores/Threads||8 / 16||8 / 16||8 / 16|
|Base/Turbo||3.6 / 4.3||3.7 / 4.5||3.5 / 4.2|
|GPU PCIe 3.0||28||48||48|
|DRAM / DDR4||128GB
|Sockets||1||1||Up to 4|
The consumer Core i7 has fewer PCIe lanes and the most limited DRAM support, but it's the cheapest. Conversely, the Xeon Gold CPU is easily the most expensive, but it supports up to four sockets, has more L3 cache per core overall, and gets the greatest memory capacity, while incurring a slightly higher TDP in the process. The Xeon-W then sits neatly in the middle, taking advantage of high clock frequencies and pro features with a small bump in price, without forking over for multi-socket support.
Of course, we can put the Xeon W-2145 up against AMD’s Threadripper 1900X and EPYC 7401P too:
|Cores/Threads||8 / 16||8 / 16||24 / 48|
|Base/Turbo||3.7 / 4.5||3.8 / 4.0||2.0 / 3.0|
|GPU PCIe 3.0||48||60||124|
|DRAM / DDR4||512GB
RDIMM + LRDIMM
|L3 Cache||11.00 MB||32 MB||64 MB|
For both parts that have the same core counts, Intel has the frequency advantage (and the performance advantage) and the power advantage, but AMD's chips have 60 PCIe lanes, more memory support, and are cheaper. When the 1950X doubles the cores but reduces the frequency, it still comes out cheaper than the Xeon W. Intel still has dual 512-bit FMAs/AVX-512 support, which Intel says is a big bonus in this market, and will point to its single thread performance.
While today is the formal announcement of the Xeon-W family, Intel has not announced much in the way of release details other than that the 14/18 core parts will be available in Q4. The rest are likely to come to market sooner, and we have requested details on retail availability. We’ve also had a lot of requests for workstation level testing or Xeon vs EPYC, and we’re in touch with both companies to get our hands on processors as soon as we can.
To clarify, we're still waiting on information about CPU/chipset support, and if Xeon-W will be supported in X299 motherboards. We will update this piece when we get that information.
We fired a few questions to Intel, and got a few answers.
- Chipset Support: Xeon-W will only work in C422 motherboards. C422 motherboards will not accept Core-X processors.
- DRAM: 128GB LRDIMMs are not supported. Intel feels this level of value does not benefit workstation users and directs them to the M versions of the Xeon-SP lines.
- Turbo Boost 3.0: Intel is not supporting this on Xeon-W, but has engineered TB2 to match the same frequency.
- Mesh Frequency: Intel refuses to disclose this publicly, even though anyone with a CPU could poll it to get the result. This was an odd response to this request.
Also on retail availability: Up to 10-core parts are available from OEMs from August 29th (today). However, only W-2123 and W-2135 are going to be on the shelf in official retail packaging. End users will have to procure the other parts through non-retail packs.
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demu67 - Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - linkYou have not corrected Threadripper RAM support, which you are yourself confirmed here:
Update 2017-07-13 22:35 UK
So it looks like we can confirm that Threadripper will support up to 1TB of DRAM. This was actually confirmed back last month by Robert Hallock at E3, when discussing the Dell Area-51 Alienware. Video should start at 1m42:
In order to put 1TB of DRAM in the system, users will have to populate each of the eight slots with 128GB LRDIMM modules. These are 'relatively rare' - Crucial's 128GB LRDIMMs should be coming out in Q3, and will cost north of $2000 each, or we can find no-name brand modules for $4000+ today.
Ryan Smith - Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - link"You have not corrected Threadripper RAM support, which you are yourself confirmed here:"
So AMD's answer is a bit wily here. The memory size limit of Threadripper is 1TB. However it officially only supports UDIMMs; (L)RDIMMs are only supported by Epyc. So if you happen across 128GB UDIMMs, then you'd theoretically be able to get up to 1TB.
wallysb01 - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - linkWow, those prices. Don't these typically follow the X series prices more closely? The 8 core, for example, is nearly twice as expensive as the the i9 8 core.
iwod - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - linkLook like this is what ends up in the iMac Pro. I wish Apple could choose AMD and use the $500 savings for a higher grade GPU.
r3loaded - Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - linkTL;DR: Just get Threadripper which supports up to 1TB RAM, also has ECC support and 64 PCIe 3.0 lanes, and save yourself a packet in the process. Unless you *really* need AVX512 support, and at that point you should probably be considering Xeon Phi anyway if it's that important for you.
Burpo - Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - linkErrors in above slides/spreadsheets..
There is no Xeon W-1245..
Should be Xeon W-2145..
jackywebdesign - Thursday, August 31, 2017 - linkLooks like there are 2 more lower end CPUs that didn't make it on to the announcement, the Xeon W-2102 and W-2104. Both are 4 cores with no HT or Turbo Boost. They're linked to on the bottom of this page: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/p...
Stokkolm - Friday, September 1, 2017 - linkYeah, I think I'm going to be giving AMD my money this time around. I don't know who could justify paying roughly twice as much for about the same performance. The only way to make Intel fix their pricing is to not buy their products. If they were close to the price of AMD I would probably go with Intel, but I just can't stomach the cost of an 8 core CPU from Intel right now.
snakyjake - Tuesday, September 26, 2017 - linkWhat does the Xeon W provide the Xeon E3 1200 series does not? Value/Price?
12Parsecs - Wednesday, February 21, 2018 - linkAnyone have solid all core turbo numbers on:
10, 14, 18 respectively.
Thank you brains trust from Sydney, Australia.